HI Thanks for your reply. I am using one from your link, 8.1. I hate to give on on this as I finally got the feel of it, building addons, getting everything working good. I made 4 other test builds that installed nicely. Was in process of adding my addons I made and couple other programs for slient install, not to mention the 11 hours to intergrate 400+ updates . really hope we can figure this out. Thanks!