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If you have the problem again, temporarily switch into bbCode mode - toggle the little button above the Bold "B" button in the upper left corner of the Edit Box - where you can then manually ensure that all the bbCode "tags", such as [ url ] etc, are in the right place. Sometimes the automatic WYSIWYG method doesn't quite work correctly. Cheers and Regards

Or just don't come back. You shouldn't get any email or anything from WinCert, and the only post of yours on the board will be the one in this thread, which we could delete if you would rather. The only other indication that you were ever here will be whatever is on your profile page. Cheers and Regards

With today's hardware, there is not as much need or interest in "slimming" an OS as there once was, regardless of the sorry bloated state of today's OS especially Windows 8.x+. Personally, I prefer to remove nothing, and just disable the services and whatever else I don't need, since if you find out later that you need something that you had removed, because you want to run some new software or hardware or something, adding things back is often much, much harder than it was to remove it, if it is possible at all. Also, sometimes removals interfere with future necessary OS updates, thus requiring a complete re-install.. Many of the tools that people used to use to slim their OS, such as RT7Lite, haven't been updated in several years, even though some folks still use them, and finding support for those tools is very difficult. Win Toolkit can do a good, safe job of updating your OS, and is one of the best of the current set of Windows installation / customization tools, but slimming is not it's main focus, and if you are, mistakenly IMHO, convinced you need to have a "small light version of Windows 7", you might be disappointed in the results. If you are truly only going to use your machine for one predefined purpose, you might actually be better off with one of the Linux variants, since you can probably find someone that has already made a version configured for that task, though it might take a bit of looking to find it. With all that said, if you still want to proceed in your Windows slimming efforts, beyond what Win Toolkit can do, you should probably check out NTLite, which is made by nuhi, the same guy who wrote nLite and vLite. It is under active development and I have heard good things about it from others who have used it. Just make lots of backups and be prepared to make several trial and error installs as you fine tune your system. Whether your efforts end up being worth the time involved will have to be seen. Good luck! Cheers and Regards

I don't use Win 8.x+, but I believe you have to convert from esd to wim first. ( I think it is planned to include this capability in future versions of Win Toolkit. ) You can search the web for the appropriate method, you should find many. many sites that list suggestions, but I would start with this one - http://forums.mydigitallife.info/threads/54007-ESD-lt-gt-WIM-Conversion-batch?p=903619#post903619. Read around in that thread for comments about what you need to know. I didn't read much about it, since I have no need for it, but abbodi1406 and murphy78 are trustworthy guys. Cheers and Regards

Thanks, but I meant could you point to where at MDL it is described or discussed? Cheers and Regards

Link please? Cheers and Regards

To my knowledge, the older versions of Win Toolkit are able to run on XP, but not perform any service on XP, either create or modify an XP install source, or act on the XP host environment. What exactly are you trying to do? Are you trying to create or modify a Win 7 source while on a XP host? If so, what does this have to do with operating or re-installing XP clients? I'm a little confused. Cheers and Regards

+! Better look, everything works (or we've known how to deal with its idiosyncrasies for so long that it's become second nature), and it's MUCH faster. Cheers and Regards

I was offered KB2990214 as an optional update even though I had not installed KB2952664, KB3021917, and KB3035583. [They were also offered as optional at the same time.] I declined and hid them all. I usually wait until a week or two after "patch Tuesday" to install any updates at all. In the meantime, I read your thread here, and others here at WinCert and at MSFN, to see what you and others have discovered regarding MS's latest antics. Thank you very much for your hard work in investigating the updates and their interactions. By the way, like Alpha_95, I am also offered KB3037581. Also, I have been avoiding updating Skype for Windows desktop 7.0. (An update for it was "optional" up until yesterday) Now, I'm being offered KB2876229 and now they are calling it "important". I'm not sure why it's importance has changed. Since I don't use Skype, I haven't decided whether I will update it or not. Cheers and Regards

KB2990214 This is the Windows 10 Technical Preview itself !!! Re KB3035583, KB3021917 and KB2952664, these still showed up as optional for me, as did KB2990214, and I have chosen to simply hide them. Regardless of how MS classifies them, they are not needed. Cheers and Regards

Assuming one has a Windows 7 system that they don't want Microsoft trying to "upgrade" to WIndows 10 via Windows Update, it seems that they don't need to install KB2952664, KB2990214, KB3021917, and KB3035583. Cheers and Regards

This is a pointer to a relevant thread <in the Win Toolkit sub-forum> which originally came from our good friends over at <MSFN>.

This is a pointer to a relevant thread <in the Win Toolkit sub-forum> which originally came from our good friends over at <MSFN>.

This comes from our good friends over at MSFN. I felt this was an important enough issue to be quoted directly here. I would hope that Liam will make sure that Win Toolkit is set up such that users will not install these updates and/or share info back to MS unless that was indeed what they wanted and intended to do. Forewarned is forearmed! KB2952664 "Compatibility update for upgrading Windows 7" This update helps Microsoft make improvements to the current operating system in order to ease the upgrade experience to the latest version of Windows. KB2976978 "Compatibility update for Windows 8.1 and Windows 8" Describes an update that improves the compatibility and upgrade experience in Windows 8.1 and Windows 8 This update performs diagnostics on the Windows systems that participate in the Windows Customer Experience Improvement Program in order to determine whether compatibility issues may be encountered when the latest Windows operating system is installed. This update will help Microsoft and its partners ensure compatibility for customers who are seeking to install the latest Windows operating system. KB2990214 "Update that enables you to upgrade from Windows 7 SP1 to a later version of Windows" It is an update to the Windows Update Client. It is a pre-requisite (for now) in order to be able to "update" to Windows 10 when it becomes available. This is the actual correct download link. KB3021917 "Update to Windows 7 SP1 for performance improvements" This update performs diagnostics in Windows 7 Service Pack 1 (SP1) in order to determine whether performance issues may be encountered when the latest Windows operating system is installed. Telemetry is sent back to Microsoft for those computers that participate in the Windows Customer Experience Improvement Program (CEIP). This update will help Microsoft and its partners deliver better system performance for customers who are seeking to install the latest Windows operating system. KB3022345 (probably not offered anymore because it was superseded by KB3068708, of which more below) "Update for customer experience and diagnostic telemetry" in Windows 8.x and Windows 7 SP1 This update introduces the Diagnostics and Telemetry tracking service to in-market devices. By applying this service, you can add benefits from the latest version of Windows to systems that have not yet been upgraded. The update also supports applications that are subscribed to Visual Studio Application Insights. This update has been replaced by the latest update for customer experience and diagnostic telemetry that was first released on June 2, 2015. To obtain the update, see KB3068708 Update (of which more below) for customer experience and diagnostic telemetry. KB3035583 "Update enables additional capabilities for Windows Update notifications in Windows 8.1 and Windows 7 SP1" This update enables additional capabilities for Windows Update notifications when new updates are available to the user. It applies to a computer that is running Windows 8.1 or Windows 7 Service Pack 1 (SP1). Before you install this update, check out the Prerequisites section. It installs GWX.exe which has the description “Get Windows 10″ More info (myce on Apr 05, 2015): Update for Win 7 and 8.1 silently installs Win 10 downloader To remove this update easily, there's now also rn10950's "I Don't Want Windows 10" :thumbup KB3044374 "Update that supports you to upgrade from Windows 8.1 or Windows Server 2012 R2 to a later version of Windows". This article describes an update that supports you to upgrade from Windows 8.1 or Windows Server 2012 R2 to a later version of Windows. This update has prerequisites. KB3046480 Update helps to determine whether to migrate..." for in Windows 8.1 and Windows 7 This update enables the system to determine whether to migrate the Microsoft .NET Framework 1.1 to a later version of Windows when you upgrade from Windows 8.1 or Windows 7 to a later version of Windows. This determination is based on the usage of the .NET Framework 1.1. KB3050265 It is an update to the Windows Update Client for Windows 7 SP1. This update addresses an issue in which system performance can be decreased during scans. This issue has the greatest effect on computers that have a small amount of physical memory. This update addresses an issue in which Windows Update scans can fail and generate a 0x8007000E error.General improvements are made to support upgrades to a later version of Windows. KB3050267 It is an update to the Windows Update Client for Windows 8.1 A change is made on the log level for %windir%\WindowsUpdate.log to reduce the frequency of certain events from exhausting log space. Fixes an issue for managed computers in which managed computers have to update drivers as a set. Driver sets are not processed by Windows Update during shutdown, and are still available to be installed after you restart the computer.Fixes an issue in which the files of an update may not be found by Windows Update (0x80070002) if the download operation spans multiple sessions.General improvements are made to support upgrades to a later version of Windows. KB3068708 Update for customer experience and diagnostic telemetry in Windows 8.1 and Windows 7 SP1 This update introduces the Diagnostics and Telemetry tracking service to in-market devices... <snip> This kind of update helps the overall application experience on Windows, by improving the current operating system for upgrade to the latest version of Windows. <snip> By applying this service, you can add benefits from the latest version of Windows to systems that have not yet upgraded. KB3065987 "Contains some improvements to WU Client in Win 7 SP1 or Win Server 2008 R2 SP1." Suspect WU update... take care! KB3065988 "Contains some improvements to WU Client in Win 8.1, Win RT 8.1, or Win Server 2012 R2." Suspect WU update... take care! KB3075249 "This article describes an update that adds telemetry points to consent.exe in Win 8.1, Win RT 8.1, Win Server 2012 R2, Win 7 SP1, and Win Server 2008 R2 SP1. This update adds telemetry points to the User Account Control (UAC) feature to collect information on elevations that come from low integrity levels." KB3075851 "This article describes an update that contains some improvements to Windows Update Client in Windows 7 SP1 and Windows Server 2008 R2 SP1. This update also resolves an issue in which certain Windows Update operations fail when you install Windows Update Client for Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008 R2: July 2015 (KB3065987) on Windows 7 Embedded editions." In other words: it fixes the mess created by KB3065987. KB3080149 "This article describes an update for customer experience and diagnostic telemetry, for Windows 8.1, Windows Server 2012 R2, Windows 7 SP1, and Windows Server 2008 R2 SP1." -------------***************------------- More info (InfoWorld on Apr 16, 2015): MS elaborates on KB 2990214, KB 3044374 Win 10 nagware! -------------***************------------- Summary: Now, there are some of these updates that come in pairs (pairing revised after reading post #111): KB2952664 for Windows 7 SP1 and KB2976978 for Windows 8.x. KB2990214 for Windows 7 SPx and KB3044374 for Windows 8.1. KB3050265 for Windows 7 SP1 and KB3050267 for Windows 8.1. KB3065987 for Windows 7 SP1 and KB3065988 for Windows 8.1. While the others are intended for both Windows 7 SP1 and Windows 8.x, namely: KB3035583, KB3046480 and KB3068708 (which replaces KB3022345), KB3075249 and KB3080149 And there is, in addition, KB3021917 and KB3075851, just for Windows 7 SP1. -------------***************------------- This list intends to cover both Windows 7 and 8. Some of the updates listed are offered to either 7 or 8, while others are offered to both. This list is a work in progress, which tends to grow with time. My main intent here is just to keep all relevant info as together as possible, for easy reference. Of course, the idea for this sticky post came from NoelC's post I quoted at the top of this very post. Many thanks to NoelC for raising the issue and to dencorso for putting this summary together. Cheers and Regards

Thanks! My previous post has been corrected. Cheers and Regards

The best thing I can suggest is to follow the guide here - http://www.wincert.net/forum/topic/12734-a-small-as-i-can-complete-step-by-step-guide-to-wintoolkit/. [i've moved your thread to the Win Toolkit subforum. Please keep us posted as to your progress. If you have any questions, I'm sure someone more experienced than I will be glad to help you. If, in your efforts, you discover any ways to improve to the guide, please let us know that as well, hopefully including instructions that work and pics that make it clearer for you.] Cheers and Regards

Thanks for visiting ajua! I assume you don't have a problem with this, and similar threads, since proper credit was given and the link to the installer was to your site? We always want to give proper credit and abide by the wishes of the original app author if at all possible. If you would prefer that we require users to visit your site in order to download your app, we will make the appropriate changes. Cheers and Regards

If I understand what is happening, they appear in Windows Update because, as Kel explained, they are already part of Windows 7, and what you are being offered are updates to Windows 7 system files. Updates to system files are treated differently, and have a different structure than addons. It's like .NET. In XP, .NET was an addon so you could make an updated .NET 3.5 installer and incorporate it in your OS build with nLite or RVMi, an example of which is the .NET AIO by Ricktendo which includes clients for .NET 1.1 through 4.0 - http://www.wincert.net/forum/topic/12295-legacy-net-framework-aio-for-xp-x86-2-14-2015/. But with Windows 7, .NET 1.1 - 3.5 have now been made part of the OS. You can integrate or add an installer for .NET 4.0, or 4.5, like Ricktendo's http://www.wincert.net/forum/topic/10715-rebuilt-net-framework-452-full-x86x64-9-19-2014/, but you cannot add or run an installer for 1.1 - 3.5. Updates for that are handled through system file updates only. I believe that with Windows 8.x .NET 4.0 is also part of the OS so you can only "install" .NET 4.5. I'm not sure about Windows 10, but it might include .NET 4.5 as well. AFAIK, there are updates for both Windows Defender and Windows Malicious Software that are applicable to Windows 7 that can be integrated using Win Toolkit, but apparently either you are using ones meant for XP, or you are putting them in the wrong location for Win Toolkit to utilize - addon vs update vs silent installer - or whatever. Which exact files did you try to add, where did you get them, a link would be helpful, and where did you put them? I probably won't know enough to help you directly, but that should give someone else enough info to help you figure out what is going on. Cheers and Regards

In other words, was Win Toolkit the ONLY tool you used, or did you use any other tool in conjunction with Win Toolkit, such as RT7Lite, vLite, or NTLite? [NOTE: This is why I personally no longer remove ANYTHING from an OS build. You never know what piece you might end up needing later, due to newly installed software you might want to use. You can accomplish just about the same performance efficiency as removing components by simply disabling the services and/or un-registering the apps that you don't need or want to use. Then it's easy to re-enable things later if you need them. Just my two cents.] Cheers and Regards

In this particular case, hiding the KB3035583 update and not installing it should be sufficient, at least for now. No need to try and modify it, or to adapt Win Toolkit to handle it differently, that I'm aware of. As for auto updates, I can see the use for it for my mom's computer or for anyone who is not very computer literate, but for anyone who is capable of running Win Toolkit, I would strongly suggest setting the auto update to notify only, then wait until the updates have been out for a week or two before applying them to your system if there have been no "gotcha's" reported. That's what I do on my system and all systems that I maintain. With all the update mistakes that MS has made, and that have seemed to be increasing, it's just safer. Cheers and Regards

@OnePiece, FYI, adminxp has been known to integrate 12000+ drivers per image, over 64GB of drivers per image. He says that has worked well for him since the XP days, though personally I don't know how it has worked at all. I guess everyone has a method that works for them. Cheers and Regards

If the IP spammer protection and SFS can coexist without interference, then maybe keep using both? As to the forum upgrade, I just hope we don't have the "growing pains" we went through with past "upgrades". Fingers crossed. Cheers and Regards

Sorry, I don't have any experience with either non-English language or non-US locations. Hopefully, someone else will pop in with an idea. Maybe Ricktendo? If you're still having any of the problems you mentioned in the OP while using NTLite, they have a good support forum and can probably help you. It's good you switched to NTLite. AFAIK, it works well with Win Toolkit. RT7Lite has bugs and hasn't been updated in a long, long, long time and no longer has a working support forum. Cheers and Regards

Yeah, I've only seen a very,very few over the last several months. In general, WinCert has been much more stable and reliable than MSFN over the last year or two, and had much fewer spammers, though both boards use the same board software and cover similar topics so I would assume would attract similar spammers/attackers. Cheers and Regards

The optional driver updates for your hardware will be offered unless you have specifically added them manually yourself through Driver Packs or something. I'm going to guess the the majority of the others are due to "slimming" operations you have performed using RT7Lite, vLite, and/or NTLite. I say that because, for example, it is saying you need to re-install part of SP1, but only 9.1 MB of KB976932, so WU believes that part of SP1 is now missing. A way to test my hypothesis is to rebuild using the exact same sources and steps you did before, EXCEPT REMOVE NOTHING. If after that WU comes up clean, except possibly for the optional driver updates, then you know that the "problem" is in your removals. If your slimmed OS works correctly for you for all operations and software you want or need to use, and you truly don't need what you removed, and the suggested updates are trying to add back in what you removed, then I guess you can just hide the updates you don't need anymore. Cheers and Regards