Which Updates should (or not) I use for a clean Win7 sp1?

[Falo]

Hi!

I have been wondering about this for a long time now

 

I know I can use all in "Hotfix" folder but after that...

Now, we have 4 more folders in there and for us "ordinary" people who just know enough to make

a quite updated windisc have no clue what we can use in there.

I have no idea what most of the things in "additional" and "extra" folders are.

"General" and "Security" I guess I can use.

 

What happens if I choose everything except earlier Explorers?

Will such an installation image work and is there a benefit vs only hotfixes?

 

I have always only used the normal hotfixes because I just don't know.

Feel like a newbie now when I asked this but I think there are a lot of people that

don't know these things.

 

To google up everything should take a while and would probably not make me much wiser

on which I shouldn't use

 

If someone could spread a little light on this I would be Happy

 

/Falo

[mooms]

Alternatively you can use this.

[abbodi1406]

General - Security - Hotfix.. are the main updates that are safe to use for all systems

regarding the difference between Additional & Extra Categories, the reason for having those two categories is for better organizing and to ease the download process for the average user

Additional Updates Category aims to include the "Special" updates that are common or most useful
this includes:

Updates for Specific Features that does not exists in All Windows Editions:

 

GroupPolicy
IIS (Internet Information Services)
MSMQ (Microsoft Message Queue)
NFS (Network File System)
SNMP (Simple Network Management Protocol)
SUA (Subsystem for UNIX-based Applications)
WindowsMediaCenter
VM (Virtual Machine Drivers)

Updates or Packages that adds more features or have special functionality:

Not Integratable (Exclusive Updates for online live system)
Platform (Platform Update 2670838) and its Updates
SUR Tool (System Update Readiness tool)
WAT (Windows Activation Technologies)
WinHelp (WinHlp32 app for the legacy Windows Help format)
WMF4.0 (Windows Media Foundation) and its updates
RDC8.1 (Remote Desktop Client 8.1) and its Prerequisites and Updates
RDP8.0 (Remote Desktop Protocol 8.0) and its Prerequisites and Updates
WinRE (Windows Recovery Environment image)
WUClient (Windows Update Client 7.6.7600.256)
IE11 (Internet Explorer 11) including:
Prerequisites (updates needs to be installed prior installing IE11)
CABs (for integration offline or online)
EXE (for standard online install)
Updates (Cumulative security updates)

Extra Updates Category will contain the rest of additional updates
this includes:

Packages that adds more features or have special functionality but not needed for most users:

DCA2.0 (DirectAccess_Connectivity_Assistant) and its updates
File.Management.API
Microsoft.Agent
NT.Backup.Utility
WIF (Windows Identity Foundation) and its updates
MediaFeaturePack (for N and KN editions)
MediaFormatFeaturePack (for N and KN editions)
RSAT (Remote Server Administration Tools) and its updates
AD LDS (Active Directory Lightweight Directory Services) and its updates
VirtualPC and its updates
French.Enterprise
pl-pl (for Polish Windows 7)
BrowserChoice (for EA users)

Updates or Packages that has newer releases:

I

E8
IE9
IE10 (same as IE11)
WMF3.0 (Windows Media Foundation) and its updates

[SunLion]

Thanks for your reply, abbodi!

[Tuesday77]

Yeah thank you abbodi1406 for this explanation, its really good one.

Seems i can disintegrate some on my lite edition, that's good.

 

A question, which ones of the first subgroup don't be included in standard x64 Ultimate?

[Falo]

Thanks Abbodi1406 I will copy your answer to a textfile and save it to my "winfix" folder.

I will test now :cap:

 

/Falo

 

[Falo]

Just a question.

Is there a lot of duplicates in the update folders?

I chose:

 

Security - 51 updates

General - 44 updates

Hotfix - 523 updates

Sum: 618 updates

 

But when I added these it says: Updates + Languages (526)

Seems like its quite a few missing (or it's something I am missing)

 

/Falo

[Tuesday77]

It exist (22) duplicates, that's true.

Some are in general and also in additional for example.

[Falo]

Just a question.

Is there a lot of duplicates in the update folders?

I chose:

 

Security - 51 updates

General - 44 updates

Hotfix - 523 updates

Sum: 618 updates

 

But when I added these it says: Updates + Languages (526)

Seems like its quite a few missing (or it's something I am missing)

 

/Falo

It ended up with 555 updates instead of 618

 

/Falo

[abbodi1406]

How did you got 523 hotfixes? there are curently about 330 only

and all updates in the list are total 589 (with duplicates)

 

the duplicates are about 29

[Tuesday77]

I'm a bit confused, after download latest and delete supersedes for all folders:

 

All hash duplicates (22):

 

All name duplicates (19):

 

Win7 x64 Items: 578

Win7 x86 Items: 551

(Without languages/SPs)

 

Whats wrong at my system?

And its wanted to have duplicates like the latest in hash list?

[Falo]

I'm gonna delete all the updates and start over...

[abbodi1406]

I'm a bit confused, after download latest and delete supersedes for all folders:

 

All hash duplicates (22):

 

All name duplicates (19):

 

Win7 x64 Items: 578

Win7 x86 Items: 551

(Without languages/SPs)

 

Whats wrong at my system?

And its wanted to have duplicates like the latest in hash list?

There is nothing wrong (explicitly )

IE Prerequisites are clear enough (i'm thinking of changing the way for providing them to a single text file, this way we can get rid of the duplication situation)

AD LDS & RSAT duplicates are necessary to have them in both locations, because each of them contain components that are applicable for both packages

same for RDC8.1 and RDP8.0

this also includes KB2834140, it's bi-update (meaning its components are applicable with and without Platform KB2670838)

IE10 CABs:

KB2764913 is the same IE-Hyphenation-en, i changed the name to KB2764913 to avoid duplication with IE11 Hyphenation

same thing goes for KB2764916 and IE-Spelling-en

KB2764916 + KB2764913 are neutral packages (meaning x86 and x64 are the same file)

so, you need to delete IE-Hyphenation-en + IE-Spelling-en from IE10 CABs folder

KB2892074 and KB2893294 and KB2900635:

apparently those duplication is a temporary error or something caused by WHD

you can safely delete Windows8.1-KB2900635-x86 from x64 folder

and redownload KB2892074, KB2893294 for windows8.1

Edited February 13, 2014 by abbodi1406

[Tuesday77]

Ahhh okay i understand, thx.

 

Mhh.. may for prevent to use different (more) folders?

Example:

 

ATM its:

IE10 Updates* (some same in 11)

IE11 Updates* (some same in 10)

 

should:

IE10 Updates* (unique 10)

IE11 Updates* (unique 11)

IE Updates* (unique - for both, 10 & 11)

 

What u think about?

[abbodi1406]

IE10 Updates has IE10- prefix in ther names, whereas IE11 Updates has IE11- prefix

 

so what is the same between them exactly?

 

and about the folders, IE10 and IE11 are unique to each other, so users who wants IE11 will not download any IE10 related, and vice versa

[Tuesday77]

Nah i mean more folders instead of duplicates:

(Sorry iv wrong described was i mean.. )

 

Here, at the moment its, example:

...\Additional\RDC8.1 Prerequisites\KB2834140
...\Additional\RDC8.0 Prerequisites\KB2834140
So KB2834140 is doubled.

 

May better:

...\Additional\RDC8.1 Prerequisites\
...\Additional\RDC8.0 Prerequisites\
...\Additional\RDC Prerequisites\KB2834140

And now the RDC-Folder include an unique KB2834140, instead of both folders.

The 8.1 and 8.0 folders includes each unique items they just for each 8.1 and 8.0.

The RDC includes for all RDC versions, for example.

 

Explanation:

Better to make a own Folder for these "bi-updates" (for example), with no name-prefix that's then for is for all versions.

So, yea sure the prefix-way is clear, but in this new way would be just one file needed for download/keep-on-disk instead of duplicates.

Edited February 16, 2014 by BrokenZer0

[abbodi1406]

Well, currently there are no "actual" duplicates in the list

 

so your suggestion doesn't apply

[Tuesday77]

Okay i renew all downloads and take a look.

BTW: WTK now using also your list (as WHD)?

 

Update:

Okay no more duplicates, that's fine.

But i think the other solution would be better.

Edited February 18, 2014 by BrokenZer0

[abbodi1406]

I really don't know, i'm not involved in the deal