rhahgleuhargh Posted September 14, 2016 Author Share Posted September 14, 2016 Hello guys, Thanks for the links, it will save me some precious time ! On my tests, deep-clean doesn't remove any update except previous version of KB3172605 and the 2 usual others. I'll publish updated ULs when I'll be done with new VM tests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiersee Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 @abbodi1406 Right, but not the support site, which I can reach from WU: there is still the link to the july rollup (just tested). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhahgleuhargh Posted September 14, 2016 Author Share Posted September 14, 2016 (edited) KB3175024 devrait remplacer KB3167679. pourtant celle-ci n'est pas nettoyée par le deep-clean. Je vais faire un test en ne l'intégrant pas. EDIT : elle n'est plus demandée. Idem pour KB3187022. Edited September 14, 2016 by rhahgleuhargh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhahgleuhargh Posted September 14, 2016 Author Share Posted September 14, 2016 Hello, Changelog pour septembre (identique x86 x64) : IE 11 Updates : KB3185319 remplace KB3175443 Common Updates : KB3175024, KB3177186, KB3184122, KB3172605 remplace KB3167679 (info WU Catalog), KB3185911 remplace KB3187022 (info abbodi1406). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiersee Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, rhahgleuhargh said: KB3175024 devrait remplacer KB3167679. pourtant celle-ci n'est pas nettoyée par le deep-clean. Je vais faire un test en ne l'intégrant pas. EDIT : elle n'est plus demandée. Idem pour KB3187022. I updated 3 other VMs based on the previous UL (26-08) but I excluded KB3175024; after restart WU was still asking for it . Edited September 14, 2016 by Thiersee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhahgleuhargh Posted September 14, 2016 Author Share Posted September 14, 2016 (edited) @Thiersee According to abbodi1406 KB3175024 should be superseeded by new KB3172605 but is still asked by WU. KB3167679 and KB3187022 are superseeded, but they are not removed by deep-clean in both Rollup and classic VMs (x64 and x86). I uninstalled them in my VMs they are no more asked. Edited September 14, 2016 by rhahgleuhargh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhahgleuhargh Posted September 14, 2016 Author Share Posted September 14, 2016 ULs mises à jour. Je n'ai pas encore eu le temps de finir les tests en x64 (trop de boulot cette semaine), mais en x86 tout est OK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abbodi1406 Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 5 hours ago, Thiersee said: @abbodi1406 Right, but not the support site, which I can reach from WU: there is still the link to the july rollup (just tested). Yes i know Download Center Links takes few days to follow last month, IE11 cumulative released on DC was older version than the actual WU one, and it took them two days to fix it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiersee Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 @rhahgleuhargh Good news: all my installations (VM+1 HW) work perfectly wit the new ULs: HPx86 (only german), HP & P x64, German and Italian. Bad news: the tool Windows ISO Downloader (heidoc.net) to download Windws-ISOs, is no more available; people starting the tool get the message "control your Internet connection". The real reason is MS closed or blocked the site Techbench, where the tool was referring to. Fortunately there is on Github a dump of the Techbench-site with the links (until MS closes this "backdoor" too!). https://gist.github.com/mkuba50/27c909501cbc2a4f169be4b4075a66ff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pennsylvaniaron Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 1 hour ago, Thiersee said: @rhahgleuhargh Good news: all my installations (VM+1 HW) work perfectly wit the new ULs: HPx86 (only german), HP & P x64, German and Italian. Bad news: the tool Windows ISO Downloader (heidoc.net) to download Windws-ISOs, is no more available; people starting the tool get the message "control your Internet connection". The real reason is MS closed or blocked the site Techbench, where the tool was referring to. Fortunately there is on Github a dump of the Techbench-site with the links (until MS closes this "backdoor" too!). https://gist.github.com/mkuba50/27c909501cbc2a4f169be4b4075a66ff yes getting same error (at heidoc.net). the new link works. it says the link is good for 24 hrs (9/17/2016). don't know if that's recurring every time you try new DL. Thx for the info. btw can I use the new UL from September to make a _64 home premium in English? regards... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiersee Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 25 minutes ago, pennsylvaniaron said: yes getting same error (at heidoc.net). the new link works. it says the link is good for 24 hrs (9/17/2016). don't know if that's recurring every time you try new DL. Thx for the info. It works again (just tested)! 26 minutes ago, pennsylvaniaron said: btw can I use the new UL from September to make a _64 home premium in English? Of course, why not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pennsylvaniaron Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 13 minutes ago, Thiersee said: It works again (just tested)! Of course, why not? Yes it now works. I had to DL the new version (3.18). sorry about that English question. didn't have my coffee yet! regards... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiersee Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 (edited) @rhahgleuhargh Second group of updates for Windows 7, look at abbodi1406's post in MDL. What I already experienced and tested: on the first search does KB3177467 (servicing stack) NOT appear in WU; installed the other 4 updates, restarted and made a new search: KB3177467 has been requested too. Made a deep cleaning: KB3168965 & KB3177723 uninstalled (may be only a component?). BTW, I made an sfc /scannow and it seems KB3188988 has resolved the sfc-issue installing Windows with the Convenience Rollup Pack. Regards, Thiersee Edit: KB3184143 removes GWX and some updates regarding W10-Upgrade ended on 29.07: if I didn't ever install those updates, I don't need this update, or...? Edited September 20, 2016 by Thiersee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abbodi1406 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 It's recommended, but optional take it as any regular update that contain newer version of the components, such as UAC, Shell32, Explorer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhahgleuhargh Posted September 22, 2016 Author Share Posted September 22, 2016 (edited) Hello, To my opinion, KB3184143 is useless if you didn't install any W10 related updates. And I wonder if KB3188988 is usefull when you use Classic integration method ? KB3168965 was removed. KB3177723 is replaced by KB3182203. In my x86 classic integration VM, deep-clean removed KB3006625, KB3033929, KB3138962, and KB3161561 too. In my test VM KB3177467 was not asked. @abbodi1406 : does KB3177467 superseed KB3020369 ? Edited September 22, 2016 by rhahgleuhargh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiersee Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 26 minutes ago, rhahgleuhargh said: To my opinion, KB3184143 is useless if you didn't install any W10 related updates. And I wonder if KB3188988 is usefull when you use Classic integration method ? My question . 26 minutes ago, rhahgleuhargh said: In my test VM KB3177467 was not asked. My experience: 4 VMs and one Test-HW: On 20.9.2016 at 10:18 PM, Thiersee said: on the first search does KB3177467 (servicing stack) NOT appear in WU; installed the other 4 updates, restarted and made a new search: KB3177467 has been requested too. 28 minutes ago, rhahgleuhargh said: @abbodi1406 : does KB3177467 superseed KB3020369 ? He's not sure: Quote Originally Posted by abbodi1406 .... unfortunately, the new Servicing Stack KB3177467 is an exclusive update meaning if installed, there must be no pending servicing operation, otherwise you can't install any update until you reboot you still can integrate it offline, but the image won't accept any update after it as well if the pending flag is triggered not sure if this makes it supersede current one KB3020369 or we need to keep that for offline integration, and KB3177467 for live online installation ..... But (my opinion): If KB3020369 is a prerequisite for Convenience Rollup andKB3177467 does not allow other pending action before the next reboot..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhahgleuhargh Posted September 22, 2016 Author Share Posted September 22, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, Thiersee said: If KB3020369 is a prerequisite for Convenience Rollup andKB3177467 does not allow other pending action before the next reboot..... Same opinion for me. No info in WUC website. I didn't include KB3188988 in my classic integration VMs. I have to check version of USB drivers included in it if the version is updated, it will be usefull. I think that KB3177467 is asked if you installed KB3184143. After reboot in all machines it is still not asked (I didn't include KB3184143 in my test). EDIT : after instaling KB3184143, KB3177467 is not asked. Edited September 22, 2016 by rhahgleuhargh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiersee Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, rhahgleuhargh said: Same opinion for me. No info in WUC website. I didn't include KB3188988 in my classic integration VMs. I have to check version of USB drivers included in it if the version is updated, it will be usefull. I think that KB3177467 is asked if you installed KB3184143. After reboot in all machines it is still not asked (I didn't include KB3184143 in my test). I just finished a test on VM x86 DE. For some special reason I build my Win7-ISO in two steps (to be more flexible): Step1 ISO with UL and noting other. Step 2 the ISO from step 1 + Tweaks, Pictures, REG-files, component-removal and so on, + 1 SFX to put a DVD-exe symbol on Desktop (to start WPI). For the test I put KB3177467 under Silent Installer+SFX and build the ISO. Installed in VM and absolutely no issue, then the other 4 updates from WU installed; reboot and no requests mor from WU. SFC /scannow passes, only an error (repaired) from wallpaper files. For me it means, KB3177467 can put under "Silent Installer + SFX" and it works. BTW, on 3 works PC, all installed in the classic way, I couldn't install KB3185278! Edited September 22, 2016 by Thiersee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhahgleuhargh Posted September 22, 2016 Author Share Posted September 22, 2016 (edited) Hello, Changelog des ULs (identique x86 x64) : Common Updates : KB3182203 remplace KB3177723, KB3181988, KB3185278 rollup remplace KB3006625, KB3033929, KB3138962 (classic), et KB3168965, KB3184143 remplace KB2515325 et KB3080446 (classic). RunOnce Updates : KB3177467 KB3181988 devrait corriger les erreurs SFC liées au Convenience Rollup Pack. Vous pourrez donc utiliser cette méthode d'intégration sans problème. Les pilotes USB étant mis à jour, cette mise à jour est également utile pour la méthode d'intégration classique. KB3184143 est utile en méthode classique car remplace 2 mises à jour, elle l'est aussi en méthode Convenience car met Shell32.dll et explorer.exe à jour (credits abbodi1406). KB3177467 n'est demandée sur aucune de mes machines virtuelles, à recontrôler. NB : La première mise à jour Rollup KB3179930 pour le .net FW 4.5.2 et 4.6.x est parue. Je ne l’inclurai pas dans les ULs. Je publierai les ULs une fois les tests terminés (uniquement intégration par Convenience Rollup Pack). Edited September 22, 2016 by rhahgleuhargh info abbodi1406 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abbodi1406 Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 For now, and since it's special exclusive update, KB3177467 does not supersede KB3020369 and if you uninstalled/did not install KB3020369, WU will request KB2533552 explicitly (in addition to the famous SP1 entry) i don't know if KB3188988 is useful or not, but as i said about KB3184143, i take is as reqular USB update btw, KB3188988 require KB3020369 as prerequisite rhahgleuhargh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhahgleuhargh Posted September 22, 2016 Author Share Posted September 22, 2016 @abbodi1406 OK, thank you for the info ! I've edited previous post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhahgleuhargh Posted September 22, 2016 Author Share Posted September 22, 2016 (edited) Strange thing during new UL x86 test : a 50 kbit part of KB3046269 (installed RunOnce just before KB3177467) is asked at first reboot. I'll make a new test installing it after KB3177467. EDIT : it works putting KB3046269 after KB3177467. I'm now trying test on x64 machine. Edited September 22, 2016 by rhahgleuhargh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooms Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 Test de l'UL x64 sur W7 Pro X64 Fr avec le convenience rollup et le vbs exécuté. 3 Maj importantes, celle de la TZ, MRT, et Windows Defender: Mise à jour pour Windows 7 pour ordinateurs à processeur x64 (KB3182203) Outil de suppression de logiciels malveillants Windows x64 - septembre 2016 (KB890830) Definition Update for Windows Defender - KB915597 (Definition 1.229.18.0) Et 8 en facultatif: Merci pour l'UL ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhahgleuhargh Posted September 23, 2016 Author Share Posted September 23, 2016 (edited) @mooms Dommage, tu n'as pas testé la dernière version que je viens de poster ! Mais merci pour le retour ! Edited September 23, 2016 by rhahgleuhargh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooms Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 Oui en effet dommage ! En même temps tu me l'apprends ! D'ailleurs, pourquoi ne pas utiliser la date de création de l'UL plutôt que celle de sortie des màj ? ce serait plus simple pour savoir si tu as fait une màj ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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