Legolash2o Posted March 29, 2012 Posted March 29, 2012 (edited) SourceBasic DescriptionGeneral Distribution ReleaseGDR packages contain only security and critical stability issue fixes. These are usually released via Windows Update.Limited Distribution ReleaseLDR packages contain "other" fixes that have not undergone as extensive testing, and resolve issues that only a fraction of the millions of Windows users might ever encounter. You usually request these from the Microsoft website but they're mostly found in SoLoR Updates.Quick Fix EngineeringQFE is the old name for LDR (above).How are they installed differently?At the end of the day, if you have LDR/QFE Mode enabled it will install LDR Mode if the update has that option regardless if its cab or an msu file.MSU Files*.msu files will get installed normally using the command below.pkgmgr.exe/norestart /ip /o:"C:\W7T\Mount;C:\W7T\Mount\Windows" /m:"UpdateLocation\update.msu" /quietIf you have LDR/QFE Mode enabled then the *.cab file is extracted and the below (CAB Files) method is then applied to the newly extract cab file.CAB FilesNormally *.cab updates have a file called 'update.mum' but LDR updates also have a file called 'update-bf.mum', if the 'update-bf.mum' is not detected W7T will install cab files normally. Cab files are usually extract from the msu file or when a user has used 'MSU to CAB Converter'pkgmgr.exe/norestart /ip /o:"C:\W7T\Mount;C:\W7T\Mount\Windows" /m:"CABLocation" /quietIf, however the update-bf.mum has been located it will extract the cab to a temp folder and install both *.mum files like so:pkgmgr.exe/norestart /ip /o:"C:\W7T\Mount;C:\W7T\Mount\Windows" /m:"ExtractCABTemp\\Update.mum" /quietpkgmgr.exe/norestart /ip /o:"C:\W7T\Mount;C:\W7T\Mount\Windows" /m:"ExtractCABTemp\\Update-bf.mum" /quietThat's it.Full DescriptionOut of the box, all of the files in Windows are on what we refer to as the "General Distribution Release" (GDR) branch.If updates are only delivered from Windows (or Microsoft) Update (including via WSUS), then all the files remain on the GDR branch.Some KB articles have packages to address specific issues that are not delivered by Windows Update - "Limited Distribution Release" (LDR) branch packages.Previously we used the term "Quick Fix Engineering" (QFE), but LDR has taken over – expect to see these terms used synonymously.GDR packages contain only security and critical stability issue fixes.LDR packages contain "other" fixes that have not undergone as extensive testing, and resolve issues that only a fraction of the millions of Windows users might ever encounter.It is not the entire OS that is considered GDR or LDR - it is down to the individual file level.A package delivered by Windows Update contains both GDR and LDR versions of the files it updates, so that it is able to replace the files on the system regardless of which branch they are currently on.A package acquired outside of Windows Update contains only LDR versions of the files it updates, and this will "move" the files onto the LDR branch where they will remain until the next Service Pack.A Service Pack (SP) contains only GDR branch versions of the files which have been updated by ANY package since the previous Service Pack (or RTM).So installing the latest Service Pack at, or shortly after release will likely put all of your files (back) onto the GDR branch.One other thing that Service Packs imply is that hotfix packages need to have versions of the files to replace for the most current SP level and the previous one (dubbed "N and N-1 support").So for every single file updated by a Windows Update hotfix package after the first SP, there are 4 versions of the file present:"N-1" GDR"N-1" LDR"N" GDR"N" LDRTaking a ficticious example, where we have the following files straight out of the box:A.EXE RTMGDR 1.0B.DLL RTMGDR 1.0C.SYS RTMGDR 1.01) Hotfix package KB000001 is installed through windows Update, and contains an update to B.DLL - this pacakge contains:B.DLL SP1GDR 1.1B.DLL SP1LDR 1.1> The SP1GDR version is installed by default, and there are only 2 (identical) versions of this file in the package as we're not yet at SP1.The machine now has:A.EXE RTMGDR 1.0B.DLL SP1GDR 1.1C.SYS RTMGDR 1.02) Hotfix package KB000002 is installed, NOT through Windows Update, and contains an update for A.EXE - this package contains:A.EXE SP1LDR 1.02> No options here, the version that ends up on disk is now the LDR versionThe machine now has:A.EXE SP1LDR 1.02B.DLL SP1GDR 1.1C.SYS RTMGDR 1.03) Hotfix package KB000003 is installed through Windows Update and contains an update to A.EXE and C.SYS - this package contains:A.EXE SP1GDR 1.11A.EXE SP1LDR 1.11C.SYS SP1GDR 1.11C.SYS SP1LDR 1.11> A.EXE is on the LDR branch because of KB000002, while C.SYS is still on the GDR branchThe machine now has:A.EXE SP1LDR 1.11B.DLL SP1GDR 1.1C.SYS SP1GDR 1.114) Hotfix package KB000100 is installed through Windows Update, and contains an update for C.SYS for the RTM and SP1 versions of the OS - this package contains:C.SYS SP1GDR 1.5C.SYS SP1LDR 1.5C.SYS SP2GDR 2.5C.SYS SP2LDR 2.5> OS level is still RTM, the current file is on the GDR branch, so we remain on the GDR branchThe machine now has:A.EXE SP1LDR 1.11B.DLL SP1GDR 1.1C.SYS SP1GDR 1.55) SP1 is now installed on the system, which contains only GDR version 2.0 of every file:A.EXE SP1GDR 2.0B.DLL SP1GDR 2.0C.SYS SP1GDR 2.0> OS level is now raised to SP1 and we push all files on the GDR branch... but look what happens to C.SYS...The machine now has:A.EXE SP1GDR 2.0B.DLL SP1GDR 2.0C.SYS SP2GDR 2.5> The SP1 package does not contain anything other then the GDR 2.0 versions of the files… so where did the GDR 2.5 version come from?The hidden, compressed folders named $NtUninstallKBxxxxxx$ in the %systemroot% folder contain the backup of the version(s) of the replaced file(s) when the hotfix was applied, plus the executable to uninstall the package (in the spuninst sub-folder).The hidden $hf_mig$ folder in the %systemroot% folder contains all the files extracted from the hotfix packages in sub-folders KBxxxxxx- these are necessary to ‘migrate’ the hotfix in the event that a switch of branches occurs or an earlier hotfix package is later installed.In the example above at step 5, the post-SP1 hotfix package was used to migrate the updated version of C.SYS during the installation of SP1.If this was not done, or if the folder had been deleted, then the file would have been regressed from 1.5 to 2.0.What? A regression from a lower version to a higher version? Is that a typo?Think of 1.5 as "RTM with KB000100" and 2.0 as "SP1 without KB000100" and it makes a bit more sense.The migration of hotfixes to avoid regression is done from hotfix to hotfix as well as with SPs.Imagine we have module X.DLL which has a dependency on module Y.DLL, and they both start at GDR 1.0.Now a GDR hotfix KB000123 is applied which updates Y.DLL to 1.3.Now an LDR hotfix KB000075 is applied which updates X.DLL to 1.1 and Y.DLL to 1.1.The resultant files on the system would be:X.DLL SP1LDR 1.1Y.DLL SP1LDR 1.3If we took Y.DLL 1.1 from the second hotfix then we regress in the security fixes, and if we left Y.DLL 1.3 from the GDR branch then we might miss a dependency that X.DLL LDR 1.1 may have which could lead to instability.By switching to the LDR branch for the higher version of the file Y.DLL, we remain at the correct level in terms of security & stability fixes (changes in the GDR branch) but also add the fix for the issue mentioned in KB article KB000075.Moving to the LDR branch for a specific KB article number will not just give you the security changes up to that point plus the 1 non-security issue mentioned in the KB article - it will also contain every non-security update to the files in the hotfix package.For this reason you will see the all-too-familiar disclaimer:"A supported hotfix is available from Microsoft. However, this hotfix is intended to correct only the problem that is described in this article. Apply this hotfix only to systems that are experiencing this specific problem. This hotfix might receive additional testing. Therefore, if you are not severely affected by this problem, we recommend that you wait for the next software update that contains this hotfix."If you followed the above then you will also understand why you should never manually delete the$NtUninstallKBxxxxxx$ folders – you will be unable to remove these hotfix packages yet they will be listed in Add/Remove Programs (and you will gain very little disk space by doing this as the contents are compressed on disk).If you were to delete the $hf_mig$ folder then you would break migration and may prevent the installation of future hotfixes or introduce unexpected regressions when installing service packs.As if that wasn’t enough… you then have separate packages for the same hotfixes (where appropriate) x86 (i386/IA32), x64 (amd64) and IA64.x86 is “only 32-bit” and IA64 is “only 64-bit”… but x64-based Windows has the concept of WOW (Windows-On-Windows) so these packages can have an even bigger list of files for the native 64-bit versions and the WOW6432 versions to support 32-bit apps.Now you can see the value in the file lists documented in the KB articles, showing not just the file versionnumber, but the different branches which have fixes, and this has de-mystified the versioning system a little.The above is correct for Windows versions up to and including 5.2 (Server 2003 & XP x64 Edition) – when we moved to 6.0 (Vista) we changed how it works. Edited March 31, 2012 by Legolash2o esieee and alfreire 2 Quote
ulysse Posted March 31, 2012 Posted March 31, 2012 (edited) Very good description, although there is one question left : What happens if I use MSU>CAB Convert prior to integrating the converted hotfixes with AIO Tool? Will it still integrate the LDR branches (if the option is checked, of course)? Edited March 31, 2012 by ulysse Quote
Legolash2o Posted March 31, 2012 Author Posted March 31, 2012 Check the first post, in your case it would get treated as a cab file. Quote
ulysse Posted March 31, 2012 Posted March 31, 2012 OK thanks, but I am still not sure I understand...Does this mean that people who want the LDR branches to be integrated should not convert to MSU to CAB any longer?I always used to convert the MSU files to CAB because I read that it would save time when running the integration. Quote
Legolash2o Posted March 31, 2012 Author Posted March 31, 2012 (edited) Well MSU to CAB Converter extracts the cab file from the msu, so the 'CAB Files' part of the first post still applies. And yes, i recommend using cab files if you want faster integration.At the end of the day, if you have LDR/QFE Mode enabled it will install LDR Mode if the update has that option regardless if its cab or an msu file. Edited March 31, 2012 by Legolash2o Quote
graybags Posted April 10, 2012 Posted April 10, 2012 So, if I read it correctly, the Solor updates aren't the critical updates, just the "other" types of update? I just assumed that the Solor updates *were* the critical ones, so I downloaded the SP1 iso via WinKit, integrated the Solor updates and found I had 68 or something updates to still install... I really should read through these forums more What resources do people here use to download a complete hotfix pack of all the critical updates? I might be simplifying things far too much, but all I want to do is download the iso, integrate a whole bunch of patches and when I check Windows Update it will say "No updates"! If such a complete pack is indeed out there could Winkit link to it, just as it does the Solor ones?Graybags Quote
sigbin Posted June 8, 2013 Posted June 8, 2013 which will be the best to integrate if your concerned of image size? Quote
Legolash2o Posted June 8, 2013 Author Posted June 8, 2013 which will be the best to integrate if your concerned of image size? GDR Quote
sigbin Posted June 9, 2013 Posted June 9, 2013 which will be the best to integrate if your concerned of image size? GDR sorry i think i was not clear of my question... i was asking between cab and msu Quote
Legolash2o Posted June 9, 2013 Author Posted June 9, 2013 CAB should be quicker (less extracting) Quote
bphlpt Posted June 9, 2013 Posted June 9, 2013 I wouldn't think there would be any difference at all to image size, only in time to build it as Lego stated. Cheers and Regards Quote
Legolash2o Posted June 9, 2013 Author Posted June 9, 2013 Oh yeah, the image size would be the same but using LDR mode would make the image bigger than using default GDR mode. sigbin 1 Quote
bphlpt Posted June 9, 2013 Posted June 9, 2013 Quite true since there are more LDR updates than GDR ones. Cheers and Regards Quote
sigbin Posted June 10, 2013 Posted June 10, 2013 i see... the difference between them in integrating to image is the speed... i thought when you convert the msu updates file to cab the image size will shrink to a few percent... i was making an updated AiO image that will be able to fit in a 4.7gb dvd... Quote
bphlpt Posted June 10, 2013 Posted June 10, 2013 The "source" file for the update will be different sizes depending on whether it is .cab, .msu, or whatever. The "source" files are just a distribution container, the files inside that container are the same. If you were distributing a DVD full of updates, then I think your understanding would be correct. But if I understand the process correctly, once you have installed/integrated that update into your updated AIO OS build, then those updates are all expanded/stripped out of their containers and either replace existing files or are stored in a "install pending" location. In either case, I believe that the format used inside the OS to store those files is independent of the format of the "source" file. I could be wrong, but that is the way I understand it. Cheers and Regards sigbin 1 Quote
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